I think they chose it where that they knew would drive the theologians and the moralists crazy. Because for moralists and theologians self-interest is normally a negative term. It means selfish. What they meant -- what the economists were trying to be scientists and they meant to say the term self-interest in a neutral way. They meant to say whatever it is that you value most, that's your self-interest and that's how you define yourself.

HATTIE: Right.

MICHAEL: So, you know, business has inherent in it a drive in its own success. It may not be a generous motive, but just to succeed at it you've got to serve others well. Whether you like it or not. You've got to do that well. And so, even if you have a lousy personality, business forces you to be better than you are.

(Voiceover - an excerpt from a prior episode) Brian Jacobsen: Do you think that's something we should do? Glen Beily: I think so.

MICHAEL: (Voiceover) I mean the self is not developed until it's joined with at least one other and usually more than one other. And that's just the law of life. In a community, the other law of life is, a community which represses its selves, which represses its individuals is not a good community. So a community needs for its individuals to flourish, and for individuals to flourish they need the community.